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post #46 of 84 (permalink) Old 06-10-2012, 08:38 PM
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Was just thinking about this thread. Has there been any brainstorming/progress made on this turbo system that you all are thinking of? I am starting to become more and more interested in going the forced induction route

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those that keep talkin about, I'd like quality but make it cheaper than SRT. Think about what you're asking, you're asking for a hand welded custom turbo manifold. Have you guys even priced a well designed turbo manifold? Go see Full Race manifolds, $3,000 for just the manifold and its a beauty. The time it takes to make the manifold has to be factored in. Here check it out, Toyota Supra 2JZGTE Twin Scroll T4 Turbo Manifold - Full-Race.com
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Would it be possible to buy only a few things from the kit?

I want to go low boost (6-7psi), with an cast iron manifold.
So i could imagine to buy intercooler/2.5" piping/turbo with T4 flange/... from you
and mount onto my bought things for my kit.

What size of intercooler are you thinking at your kit?
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We are not sure 100% if we are going to run a full kit on this app or just a manifold and downpipe.
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please make a fmic!!!
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If you extend support to Aristo GTE's w/Aristo ECU's I'd definitely be interested.

BTW, I've heard good things about the level of customer service you guys provide and that is more important to me than price. Not that I want to get owned or anything...lol but nevertheless, if I need help and you stand by your product and help....that's what I'm talking about!

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I WISH there was more turbo manifold options and a better fitting one at that. I hate how the ebay manifold is clocked !

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I WISH there was more turbo manifold options and a better fitting one at that. I hate how the ebay manifold is clocked !
Good Point, maybe a revival of Cast Iron Manifolds like Treadstone and Co, for more room to the ABS lines, T3 or T4 option with external Wastegate would be perfect
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I would be all for a good manifold and down pipe combo. But if your saying all parts will be hand made and in house what kind of price range are you looking at? Full-Race makes an awesome manifold but it cost an arm and a leg.

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I would be all for a good manifold and down pipe combo. But if your saying all parts will be hand made and in house what kind of price range are you looking at? Full-Race makes an awesome manifold but it cost an arm and a leg.
It will be FAR less than Full Race.
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Whether it worth anything I'll add my thoughts on the turbo kit demand. I think if there is to be any success in this it needs to be available in stages. You want a fully functional base kit at the lowest cost possible. Good manifold and downpipe, then the options go from there. I would take a look at what bell engineering offers as a smart path to follow.

I really think a complete non-intercooled rotrex based kit coupled with a pretuned AEM fic or similar would be the best option at this time. The lower you get the base cost, the more people who will start with it. Sure it won't make a ton of power out of the box...but continuous upgrading is what drives all of this.
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Whether it worth anything I'll add my thoughts on the turbo kit demand. I think if there is to be any success in this it needs to be available in stages. You want a fully functional base kit at the lowest cost possible. Good manifold and downpipe, then the options go from there. I would take a look at what bell engineering offers as a smart path to follow.

I really think a complete non-intercooled rotrex based kit coupled with a pretuned AEM fic or similar would be the best option at this time. The lower you get the base cost, the more people who will start with it. Sure it won't make a ton of power out of the box...but continuous upgrading is what drives all of this.
The market for super charged systems just isnt there. There are alot of people that say they want it but when push comes to shove no one puts their money where their mouth is. And I agree it would be nice to start with a good foundation such as a manifold and down pipe and allow the customer to choose what he or she wants either base on price or power goals. There is no way in hell that Dezod would offer a kit with some sort of ems with a pretune on it already. there are to many idiots who would try to drive the car on it and blow it up or damage something. its just not worth the headache

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I get what your saying, and anyone who has ever actually gone through the process of adding a turbo to a car will realize the ECU and tune is one of the most important components. But as you also know the process can be extremely high cost in terms of hardware and tuning time, assuming you can't or don't tune it yourself.

Shipping a functional low boost kit with a conservative tune could easily shave $1000 off if not more. Better than an FIC would be a simple "black box" with preset timing retard and fuel addition based on manifold pressure; I'm not sure if thats feasible with the IS300 ecu though. Many people buy these parts paycheck to paycheck. Finding ways to hit the right price points for upgrades ($300-1000) will be key. I would be very surprised if majority of customers weren't wage workers and military (that is in no way a dig, but they are often young people with enough money and the least number of other responsibilities/bills). Show a nice little dyno graph and description so everyone can see what the next upgrade brings in terms of power and driveability. I think its possible to ship a reliable low boost kit alongside a fully optioned kit. Target for availability should be early tax refund season.

I think of it like this...if everyone actually wanted the best performance and to do it the right way there would be alot more custom valved Ohlins than megan racing coilovers. If it makes turbo sounds, drives ok, and goes faster there will be plenty of happy customers.

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We more than likely will not pursue any supercharged application setup. It will be turbo and we have a car lined up for development, but need to map out the development schedule with priority in mind of other ventures that will cause higher demand.
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If I was Dezod I would consintrate on making a quality mid range priced manifold with option of nice down pipe !

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