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post #76 of 80 (permalink) Old 07-21-2010, 03:35 PM
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And nothing to do with the actual question I asked regarding encryption.

I should've known better than to expect any useful information though... my bad!
Lets all say it together..."Knightshade was wrong... Knightshade was wrong..."

Get it now !!!

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post #77 of 80 (permalink) Old 07-22-2010, 08:02 AM
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Wow, you are just a little automatic 350 fan boy aren't you? You act like you know everything and every result when in reality you haven't experimented or researched anything. If the IS-F is indeed wider, then my bad thats a very interesting peice of information. 250 Manual getting worse millage is bull shit, and the EPA ratings are simply incorrect as I have driven both. My Manual has gotten up 32 MPG on long highway trips, I have had multiple 250 auto's for rental and they consumed more gas no doubt and didn't reach the same numbers on the highway trips. There is less loss in a manual you can't argue that. Theres nothing wrong with the manual tranny in this car either, so you writing it off as a peice of shit means nothing to me as well. You sir are negative and want to tell everyone why something won't work and to be happy with the factory offerings. In the end there is no point in responding or discussing this point any further because your attitude supports a non-innovative discussion which I have no interest in.
I can confirm I have driven similar model engine etc with Auto and Manual for 4-6 weeks each (they were long term rentals)
The Auto did much worse mileage.

Any real road experience for the other way round ??? Knighshade ??


Re: EPA mileage,
Car and Driver got suspicious and ran same car with different transmissions because they did not believe the EPA ratings.
You know, hundreds of miles on the streets, swapping drivers, rotating the lead.

Guess what, the higher EPA rated car ended up with lower mileage !!!

Now our own IS300 is generally accepted on THIS forum to have 10 -20 BWHP less with the Automatic with engine like for like, ie stock vs stock, I/H/E etc....
Less HP, because of higher transmission losses, Less mpg.

So why is the EPA rating out to lunch, Car and driver explained it, higher losses in the transmission due to high pressure hydraulic pumps used to drive components.

So we have actual experience on the road and theory to back this up. Pretty conclusive I would say.

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Got a link to the Car and Driver testing? I'd certainly be interested in looking at it.

The IS300 is probably a poor example to use, as it's a car using a pretty ancient transmission by today's standards.

The manual in the 250, while being a crap transmission, at least has the same # of gears as the auto so it's a fairer comparison to it's modern auto counterpart, and 32 mpg for a manual 250 is hardly impressive when there's folks who've hit 30 in a 350, and considerably better than 32 in an automatic 250. (I know I've seen as high as at least 38 highway in a 250 auto from some folks).



I'd say that today if you're buying a 90 hp Kia or something where you pick between a 5-speed manual and a 4-speed auto the manual will retain it's traditional benefits (slightly less drivetrain loss, and slightly better efficiency due to having more gears available)... But if you're buying a more expensive model that can offer a modern automatic transmission those benefits largely vanish (and in many cases you get worse mileage with the manual, and you're certainly going to be slower given humans shift far less reliably and far less quickly than computers do).

The computers help considerably with mileage too, they know better than you do the most efficient gear for the car to be in... which is another reason you'll increasingly see autos offering better mileage than manuals.

Interestingly the auto even has lower emissions (as well as better mileage from a non-EPA source)... this according to a 250 owner in the UK who bought his auto because it was both rated better for mileage (in the UK, so no EPA there) and the lower emissions (since it impacts taxes on the vehicle there)-
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-s...an-manual.html

Check post #6 for that

Oh, and Canada rates the manual with worse mileage than the auto too (again a non-EPA government source)
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-s...g-figures.html

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Hi all you arguing old woman. .lol... Ive got the auto as a result of Lexus.. I bought the manual and they admitted there to be an issue in design. They made a swop after communicating with Japan about the problems and it was confirmed there is a floor in the design. They wouldn’t have replaced the car if the manual had no problems.
I was also thinking of swapping my engine for a 350 as they are not sold in South Africa. The choices are either buy a 250 or an ISF. After reading this I must say I would rather trade in and pay the difference for the isf. Better to play with the older is300. Ive got one of those with an 3uz and that’s a lot of fun.. What would you think of taking the isf motor and swapping the block for the 570 motors and going with a blower? Would be a bit pricy but should be quite the mod. Was chatting to Lexus about that idea and they seem to think it is possible. That should be a bit of fun.. Shooting in the dark with a lot of cash but mmmmmm.. Would be a beast
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is350 and is250 have the same transmission?
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