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post #1951 of 2057 (permalink) Old 10-22-2012, 07:23 PM
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why would they stop the DI/port injection system? Carbon buildup is a bitch....
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2014 model? They're not even close to getting caught up on the demand for 2014's. It makes no sense for them to launch a turbo version yet.

Also, the mixed direct/port system is a toyota system that Subaru can use only on the BRZ. If they want to use the turbo motor for any other chassis, it needs to have a different fuel injection system.

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Also, the mixed direct/port system is a toyota system that Subaru can use only on the BRZ. If they want to use the turbo motor for any other chassis, it needs to have a different fuel injection system.

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well it would still be on the BRZ, just the turbo engine....
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I assumed they didn't go through the development on this new motor to put it only in the BRZ, and as soon as they want to put it in something else they'd have to come up with their own FI. Makes sense to do it at the start.

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a turbo BRZ would be worth getting, despite the ugly rear end

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The thing only needs a little bit of midrange torque to make it a much better car to drive. Anything more is going to require larger tires and brakes and will move towards ruining the balance of the car. I would think that a Z would be better for someone looking for more power in a coupe.

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For me, the big surprise is not so much that they're considering a BRZ Turbo, but that they're only claiming 280 hp and 250-plus pounds-feet of torque when that same FA20 turbo is producing 296 hp and 295 lb/ft of torque in the JDM Subaru Legacy in which it debuted. Transmission and torque capacity issues, perhaps? Or questions of balance, as Justin.b suggests?

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Not sure? Lower octane? I'm pretty sure they tune US cars for 91 since that's the highest available in CA.

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Not sure? Lower octane? I'm pretty sure they tune US cars for 91 since that's the highest available in CA.

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You're right, that might be yet another reason. I'd forgotten that California premium fuel is lower octane than what you can get in the rest of the U.S. (93), not to mention Japanese or European premium fuel.

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When I drove cross country there were some places I couldn't even get 91. I think they had 87 and 89 only.

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When I drove cross country there were some places I couldn't even get 91. I think they had 87 and 89 only.

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places in rural Iowa and SD I've found little gas stations along the freeway which only had 87....87....eighty....fucking....seven.....

I'm sorry but if you are prominently along the interstate or the only station for 20+ miles, offer premium.

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Toyota just needs to develop a newer turbo platform.

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places in rural Iowa and SD I've found little gas stations along the freeway which only had 87....87....eighty....fucking....seven.....

I'm sorry but if you are prominently along the interstate or the only station for 20+ miles, offer premium.
Most people in the rural country towns/small towns live cheap. By cheap I mean, cheap car, put cheap gas in it, live cheap life, and be happy about it. 91octane sales would produce such a low profit it's not worth shipping it in.

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I'm started to gain interest in these cars.
What do most people prefer? The Suburu or the Toyota version?
Is there any differences between the new in the interior? power? suspension?
There's a few companies out already with turbo kits making 300whp what looks like pretty easily.

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The Scion is far more popular, but that may be due to availability. There are some differences between the two. I think the BRX gets stuff that the FR-S doesn't like heated seats, HIDs, LED running lights, gps headunit. It also has slight exterior differences that most people find less desirable than the FR-S, especially the front bumper (which is fully swappable with the FR-S if that's a problem).

Mechanically, the two are identical except for suspension tuning. There's a difference in the springs and dampers. Some reviewers swear the FR-S is more tail-happy because of this, but I've also seen some reviewers say the BRZ has the more lively tail of the pair.... so even that's not sure.

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