Anyway, I hope this can work. It looks like there's several options to do the processing, but the Console+Waves+Voxengo combo looks to be the best "audiophile" solution with the most options ans best GUI.
Right now, I have two problems......10 channels is tough to get, even if I choose to process some channels as mono, like the two subs and rear speakers, then I might be able to do 8 channels, but I'd lose some stereo....
Also, I would still like to see if I can find an external sound card that will work for 10 channels, then I can still explore the laptop option......
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My experimentation was done with the demos of Console and VAC. VAC makes the output noisy after three minutes and Console shouts out "DEMO" everything five seconds so it's hard to gauge quality.
I'm a little concerned about lack of ASIO support though. I'm going to do some tests now. The latency penalty associated with not using ASIO is not a problem because you aren't mixing the wet (XO, DRC, TA) signal with the dry. Everything is wet so latency isn't an issue. It's just that, from what I remember, CPU usage seems to go through the roof when you aren't using ASIO. This could be a serious, serious problem.
I'm also trying out some other programs, which might be able to do the same thing as Console.
Let's just hope we can still do this without ASIO.
I also may email the VAC author and see if there is any possibility of ASIO support. IIRC, ASIO can only support one program at a time per device, which probably means it can't be done. But I'm not sure.
Just did some experimentation and now I remember why I was under the impression that CPU usage was a problem when not using ASIO.
ASIO is just an interface, so it doesn't make sense that it has such a drastic effect on CPU usage. But I remember having so many issues when I didn't have an ASIO card.
So I played around and alternated between using ASIO and not using it, when playing back a production using 40 effects and 8 instruments. And then it hit me...
CPU usage is only drastically affected if you try and "do too much" with the non ASIO implementation. If you set the buffer length very high, everything sounds the same, and CPU usage is the same as if you were using ASIO. The only difference is that there is a huge delay. So if I hit a key to get my synthesizer to play a note, there is a very noticeable delay.
When I was producing, the delay was not acceptable, so I had to set the buffer length lower.
If I just want to listen to the music, the delay is a nonissue.
Don't know if I follow exactly what you are doing, I don't even have my equipment yet, so I'm pretty far behind right now!
I'm still unsure how to run all of the channels I need and still be able to do surround processing. These are all of the speakers I'm planning on running if I do a surround/SQ system:
3 way up front (6 speakers total), 2 surround channels in the rear doors, 2 rear deck speakers, and two subs run on a single mono channel.
I plan on keeping the surrounds and rear deck speakers on a switch or something so I can turn them completely off during SQ listening. Mybe I can rig something on the computer to disable those channels when not in use........
I really don't have any idea where to start to do surround processing on this system! (hardware wise or software)
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ok, back to finding a cheaper soundcard solution azzurro!
This is related to your experiments with your soundcard, but I'm looking for a cheaper card that can run Console, and could be expanded to run 11 outputs, which means that it would have to actually have 11 outputs or be able to synch up more than one sound card and together have 11 outputs.
7.1 surround procesing would be a bonus, but there's some software suites that will do that.......so not completely necessary.
For the price of those M-Audio external cards, I might as well get the RME card! But external is a plus if I aspire to do a laptop....
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I'm really not sure... damn you need a lot of outputs! And then surround sound just puts it over the edge. I don't know of any cards that will let you add more outputs, except the really expensive ones.
If you just went with active or passive crossovers for the front 3ways, think of how much of a headache that would save
I spent last night trying to find another VST host that would do what Console does. I found a couple of good ones, even some quality freeware, but they will only work with ASIO input. Damn.
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I tried so many damn programs that I can't even remember what did what. Here's a few (I'm missing some)...
AudioMulch
Plogue Bidule
Jeskola Buzz
Xlutop Chainer
ART Teknika Console Sound Modular Studio (obviously)
Jřrgen Aase energyXT
Image Line FL Studio
brainspawn forte
Ableton Live
Psycle
SynthEdit
Outsim SynthMaker
Some of them were so close. So, so close...
Others don't let you work with inputs at all.
SynthEdit would be perfect because, for the functionality we need, it is free. Completely modular as well. Only downside is that it works with ASIO inputs only.
I was making progress with forte, but when I started messing with the inputs, I found that it is one of the few programs that will instantly cause XP to reboot. That pissed me off, and I gave up after three consecutive reboots (I'm stubborn).
I'm sorry, but can you recap as to why these programs are not working with your current equipment? (also, what sound card do you currently run?)
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I'm doing this on my laptop with an M Audio Transit (external USB). The internal laptop sound is just plain AC97 (which I also have special ASIO drivers for).
The software itself works fine. Some programs will not process any input. Others will.
Unfortunately, all programs that will process input, besides Console, will only do so with ASIO.
Now, I have ASIO inputs, but I can't pipe the output of one program into another whilst retaining ASIO inputs. This is because I don't have the "loopback" or internal routing feature.
I can, however, take a non ASIO output from one program and feed it into a program that accepts non ASIO inputs, by using the Virtual Audio Cable.
Yea, I kinda get why you can't do it now.....you just need an external card that will support internal routing......kinda hard to find as I've already found out........I think that Audiotrak Prodigy 7.1lt card is the cheapest card to do the job.......but it's not external....
If I keep my front stage to a two-way and eliminate my rear door "surrounds", I could have enough outputs to process all channels too....I just might have to scale back my system a little to incorporate my processing project.......unless I decide to drop $600 on a soundcard setup, lol
Also, on an interesting side-note, I think I've almost found a ASIO plugin that will do active noise cancellation if you have a permanent mic set up! WTF!?! lol....I love technology!
Problem is it takes some processing power and with the already high demands I'll be placing on this processor, it's going to be tough to do all of this unless I build a monster machine....
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Some type of go-between device that let's H/U's interface with carputer's......This device let's any Mbus H/U work through a plugin in Winamp to control player functions.....meaning it won't work with the newer alpine decks that use AINET, unless there's an AINET to MBUS adapter.......
Found an interesting link to some kind of MBUS adapters:
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Yea, touchscreen works fine, this is just a cool option I guess....I just contacted that site, and MBUS is the only protocall supported by that adapter (along with many manufacturer specific units, aka BMW, Honda, etc.), but he said they will have a unit out to interface betweent newer Alpine and Pioneer H/U's within 2 months.......
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